JJ: Welcome, everybody, to today’s show. We’re going to have a good time. Already I can tell you that because I’ve got Dr. Bruce Lipton here. For those of you that don’t know, you’ve been under a rock. He wrote “The Biology of Belief.” And I’ve had this book for over 10 years, I believe. And I’ll tell you that story in a minute. But for those of you that are watching here on the video, know that there is the intro for Dr. Bruce Lipton and the other two books that he’s written as well as the rest of his bio on the podcast. So if you’re watching this and you want to take it with you, if you click below the link here on my YouTube channel, you can take the podcast with you and just listen in the car or while you’re exercising. And for those of you that are listening on the podcast, if you want to come over and see us, you can go to jjflizanes.tv.

So, Dr. Bruce Lipton, I am honored to have you. Thank you for finally being someone I could catch because I’ve been chasing you for a while. You’re a very popular, very, very busy man. And I want to start off with a very bold statement that I’ve been making to certain friends, and then we’re going to welcome you into the show, and you can tell the audience, and we’re going to work from this principle. With what’s going on right now, which I’ve avoided talking about a lot in the beginning, hoping that it would pass, wanting to manufacture myself a placebo that I could give everybody, not necessarily to make money, but to make it go away quickly, I’ve been following my intuition about what to say, what not to say in this situation. And what it boiled down to and what statement I have made, which, I’m not a scientist, I’m not a doctor, so some people don’t believe me. But what I’ve said, and now you’re a physician, you’re a doctor, you’re a researcher, cell biologist, and so you’re going to give it to me straight. I’m telling people that during what’s going on right now, it doesn’t matter what the numbers say. It doesn’t matter what everybody else is doing. Because there are ones who say, “Science says that wearing a mask protects you. Science says that this and that,” and whatever they want to listen to that day. The only two sciences worth listening to are epigenetics and quantum physics, which nobody is talking about, yes?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Oh, it’s so complicated. No, it’s not. JJ, thank you for letting me be here with you. And I was figuring I should shut off the camera because your beauty shines through, and then they look at me and they want to go home. So I’ll stay on. I hope they do too. All right.

JJ: Please stay.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Yes, JJ.

JJ: So let’s talk about it. So am I off base or am I correct? Are the only two sciences that people aren’t talking about, quantum physics and epigenetics, the only real deal here in whether or not somebody gets sick or whether or not someone is affected by what’s going on right now?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Absolutely. But we should add in there the concept of stress because so many people think, “Diseases are connected to genes.” And every time they study a disease, “We’re looking for the genes of that disease.” Fact: Less than 1% of disease is even connected to genes. Over 90% of illness on this planet, including cancer, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer’s, diabetes, is all stress-related. Since that’s a primary directive in our health, we should consider the role of stress, which is being propagated through all the media to be afraid and to be scared. And that is the first big problem. I’ll say very briefly right here, and that is this: Stress shuts off the immune system. And there’s a reason. It’s not just to punish you. But the stress is related to that proverbial saber-toothed tiger that chases us. And the relevance is very simple. If you’re being chased by a tiger, how much energy do you want to make available out of your system to run away from that tiger? I hope you understand I want all the energy I can have to escape the tiger.

And the body’s intelligence is this. If you are being chased by that fear, then it will shut down all functions not associated with escaping the tiger, and included in that is immune system. And the reason is this. Just consider how tired and weak people when they get sick. And what’s the relevance? Because the immune system is using tremendous quantities of energy all of the time, but it protects you from the inside. So it’s very simple understanding. You have a bacterial infection, bad case of diarrhea looming, and you’re being chased by a saber-toothed tiger. How would you like to split the energy? How much do you want to fight the bacteria, and how much do you want to put into running away from the tiger? And the answer, of course, is very simple. If the tiger catches you, the bacteria is no longer a problem for you.

And so the relevance is that the system is designed to shut down the immune system in stress because stress is an outside fear, not an inside problem. So it’s so effective of shutting off the immune system that when doctors want to transplant an organ from Person A into Person B, they give the recipient of that organ stress hormones before the operation because that inhibits their immune system from rejecting the foreign tissue or organ. “Wow, it’s so effective of shutting off the immune system. It’s used therapeutically.” Yeah. All you have to do is just watch the news, go on the web, look out your window, and the stress levels are going to build up. And the whole big deal is, is there something really scary out there? And I go, “Not really” right in the face of… “Oh my god. Lipton is crazy, man.” And I go, “Not really.” Because the numbers are false that you’ve heard that predicated all the… “How many million people are going to die?” And it’s like, “Nah.” That was based on wrong numbers.

And the fact is, yes, it’s virulent. Simple reason. It hasn’t been in our world as part of human biology, so we have no previous experience immunologically of this kind of virus. So the relevance is everybody is susceptible to this virus because it hasn’t been in our system. Well, does that mean we’re all going to die? Right now, the statistics… It’s very important because they got you with the numbers, and I want to fix the numbers for a second. How do you calculate mortality? They’re coming up with millions of people are going to die. So where do they come up with that number? The answer is this. You take the number of people who died from the COVID and divide it by the number of people who have the COVID. So what’s the relevance? In the beginning, so few people reported that they had COVID that there was a very small number underneath the number of people that died. Mathematically, that means that the percent of people that die is really high. But now that they’re testing, they find out that upwards of maybe 9 out of 10 people have been infected by this virus. But it wasn’t so dramatic that they needed to go see a doctor or go to a hospital where those reports are collected.

“Well, then up to 90% of people have received this?” If you put all those people in the bottom number of that fraction, you divide the number of dead people by the total number who have it, it drops down to within the exact same range of an annual seasonal flu. But it’s made worse because on top of the problem with the virus, add the social consequences of people not working, especially a very large portion of people in the United States that live week to week on a paycheck. And why is it relevant? Well, if stop paying them, they’re in the deepest stress that you can imagine. They got no money, no job, rent, food, all those things. What will that do? Ultimate stress. What’s the consequence? You just made them really susceptible to this virus in a very negative way.

And so, truthfully, the statistics today are so completely different than the statistics they started with. But they use the statistics they started with to predicate millions of people are going to die. Listen. Two years ago, television broadcast, Bruce on television. “Flu season is coming. You should go get your flu shot.

Thank you.” Today, “Flu season is coming and millions of people are going to die.” Uh-oh. That’s a whole different response. But if they were to say, “It’s a flu season and more people are going to get it. But most people, it’s so mild that they don’t see a doctor, they don’t go to a hospital, and they’re completely unreported.” So the statistics are invalid, and yet the fear is continuously propagated with numbers that are not valid.

And to me, this is important because I teach a course in immunology, and the fundamental nature of that immunology course is simply this: If you are stressed, you have opened yourself up to illness only because you have compromised your immune system. And this to me is the most important understanding because if I make you afraid, I enhance your stress. And at the exact same time, as your stress goes up, your immune system goes down.

JJ: So part of the reason why I wanted to narrow it down to epigenetics and quantum physics is because stress is a perception, right?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Absolutely.

JJ: So if I decide to buy into the stress, a nocebo versus a placebo, if I decide that I’m susceptible because I’m giving my power away and listening to other people and getting caught up in the momentum and the negativity and the low frequency of fear, then I’m really responsible for opening myself up to getting it. Versus if I take epigenetics says that we respond to our environment, our perception influences our anatomy and our biology and the way that we respond. Same thing with quantum physics in terms of frequency. My partner Doug and I, for my birthday, we went to Italy right when COVID happened. And somebody said from Milan, they had written to us and said, “We recommend you don’t come.” And we looked at each other and said, “Yeah, we’re still going.” And so we went.

And I’ve said this before on the show. It was like walking on water. We had an amazing, wonderful time because I didn’t click into the fear. Now, because I was eating differently than I normally do, I did things to balance that. I took a colloidal silver. I was taking more algae. I was taking Vitamin C. I was taking probiotics. I was taking my enzymes. I was doing all the things to balance out the conditions that were new for my body. But I was also, in a way, in law of attraction, people think it’s irresponsible, but really it’s quantum physics. I was ignoring all of the other stimulus and living in my own damn world because I knew that as long as I stayed in a place where I was happy and feeling good, that my immunity would serve me.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: That’s exactly what it’s been doing for a million years until we believed that it doesn’t work. And it’s like, “If it doesn’t work, that would scare me too.” And yet the reality is, as you’ve done, the main thing is this. If I enhance my immune system’s function, meaning I keep it up to date, because as I said, stress is the biggest problem of health around the planet, especially in western industrialized cities where people are stressed to hell to live in that city compared to people who live in a country somewhere. And the relevance is this. So what would I do? Bruce’s suggestion is exactly what you did, JJ. And that is what? Eat well. Take care of your minerals and vitamins and supplements to enhance your immune system because our daily life is compromising them all the time. Go outside and exercise because you want to keep the system running.

And the relevance about that is also connected to what are your thoughts? And as you mentioned, people know placebo. Placebo is a very positive thought. There was this pill. I forgot what the name is, but I remember the ad. And it’s purple. Oh, yeah, that’s the color of healing. I sold a drug because of the color of it. So people believe. So what does it mean? Did the drug really work? Did the drug actually work? And the answer is, in most cases, no. It was the belief in the drug that worked. And that’s called placebo. And everybody goes, “Yeah, you can get cured by a sugar pill if you believe the pill is effective.” And everybody goes, “Yes, positive thinking, that helps.” We’re talking about positive thinking, but as you brought up, there’s something called nocebo, which is negative thinking. And no one really talks about the consequence of negative thinking. Most important point they have to know is negative thinking is equally powerful as positive thinking, but it works in the opposite direction. What positive thinking can heal you of any disease, negative thinking can cause any disease without any other reason than negative thinking. And you can die from the belief of dying.

So how much positive thinking are we doing in this world, and how much negative thinking? It’s not really balanced very well. Most of it is negative. All you have to do, as I said, is watch the media and watch what’s going on in the world, and it will scare anybody, except for the fact they don’t talk about all the healthy people. There’s not a new story. “Oh, there’s 5000 people that are healthy in this town.” That’s not a good story. “Fifty people died in this.” That’s the story. That is what keeps you glued to that television set. And I joke. There’s an accident on a highway. All of the cars going by the accident slow down so everybody could gawk at, “Oh, look at the wreck.” And just down the street, there’s a family having a wonderful picnic and enjoying the afternoon and the cars are going by. You didn’t pay attention to the people having a good thing, but we are glued to the scary things. And so as the television now is giving a story of scary, people are sitting in front of that TV, gawking at it as if it was a car accident and taking it in. And their storyline is “You are going to get it.”

And I go, “Wow.” Well, that’s a belief system. And if you believe all that stuff, you can have a flu without even a virus. And this becomes important because people are locked into that fear because it sells more than joy. Who cares about the picnic? It’s that accident that scared the hell out of me. And it’s like, “Well, then look, there’s a responsibility here.” What do you want to focus on? Because if you’re creating your life, and that’s a principle of quantum physics… A little sidebar. Quantum physics is the most tested and validated of every science on this planet. If you’re going to question a science, the last science to question is quantum physics. So what’s the relevance? Principle number one: Consciousness is creating your life experience. That was from 1925, 1927. That’s when it was established. We’re 100 years away and people are just waking up. “Geez. If I’m thinking of something, I could influence?” I go, “It’s only been 100 years of the most valid science.”

Except it doesn’t go to the public. Why not? And the answer is, I’ll tell you the simple truth. If people make money off of you not being healthy, they’re sure as heck not going to let you be healthy because where’s the money going to come from? And the pharmaceutical people. Look, I’m a biologist. I teach immunology. I did research on stem cells for 50 years. I’m in there. And I’m going to tell you, sorry, my opinion, Bruce Lipton’s opinion. The pharmaceutical company is not your friend. “Oh, they’re going to make drugs to save me.” They’re going to make drugs that do anything. And the idea was what? There were only a few issues that they were good at in the beginning to work on a few big issues. But then they said, “Well, we can make more money if we can find more issues.” And they started generating diseases. “What do you mean generated disease?” Carpal tunnel syndrome, that was one. I go, “Why?” Well, everybody worked and nobody had any idea of it until somebody came up and said, “That’s how I got this carpal thing.” And everybody saw it on the news, and then they go to work and they go, “Look, I got carpal thing too.” You propagated a belief and people bought it? Why? Because now they’re going to sell you the damn drug. They make up things to make drugs available to you. Especially on women’s issues, all kinds of issues about menstrual issues. And all of a sudden, that is a pathology. Premenstrual stress, postmenstrual stress, whatever. “Oh, take a pill. That will fix you.” It wasn’t a problem until you told people it was a problem. And then you offer them the pill, and of course, “Oh, I’ll buy that.”

Except for the reality is, is the pharmaceutical company your friend? And I’ll give you another one. Is the banker your friend? Yes, the banker is your friend if you have a lot of money. If you don’t have a lot of money, the banker is not so friendly anymore. And the drug companies supply you with so many drugs. Every intermission break on television, here’s a new drug. I don’t even know what the hell I want. People got happy and I want to be happy. “What the hell is that drug? I’m going to tell my doctor. That’s the drug I want.” So basically, there’s a thing going on here that I’m concerned of as a biologist, and that is, the propagation of a fear by higher-ups in the health industry. I won’t say his name, but CDC people and stuff like that. What’s the relevance of all that? And the answer is, do you know that those people are the ones that have invested in the vaccine companies? Even Bill Gates owns a vaccine company. Why is it relevant? Money is money. If you buy the damn vaccine, I make money. If you don’t get the vaccine, then what am I going to do? So the idea is all over. “We’re going to give you a vaccine. Just wait.”

And I go, “If you’ve already been exposed to COVID-19, you already created your own vaccine.” The idea that I need to get a vaccine on top of the fact that if I had COVID and I healed myself, I don’t need the damn vaccine. And yet I’m afraid. I’m afraid for the public because I’m totally aware of the relevance of messing with the immune system and the idea that they have completely misunderstood the nature of the immune system. And I want to give a very important fact about it because people have misunderstood something very profound. And thank you for a little platform here, JJ, so I could say this.

JJ: Of course. Please, keep going.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Tonsils. You’ve heard of tonsils. JJ, what do you think the public idea is? What is the tonsil?

JJ: I’ve heard of infected tonsils. Would it help to regulate some of maybe what happens in the back of the throat?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Okay. Storyline is very close because that’s it. The suggestion is that the openings of the face: mouth, nose (which is also connected to the throat), ears (which Eustachian tubes are connected to the throat), eyes (which have tear ducts connected to the throat), all these are openings. And they say, “You go through the world. All the germs are going through these openings. And before they go down the throat, we have tonsils. And the tonsils are going to protect you from those germs.” And I go, “Nah. That’s not true at all.” As a matter of fact, in the area of the throat where those tonsils are, that is the thickest lining of the entire digestive tract. It’s as thick as skin. Why is it relevant? If you’ve got an infection, that’s the last place that infection occurs. Down in the gut, the layers in the gut, it’s just a single cell layer. Now, that is a dangerous place because that’s where infections can come in.

“So the tonsils are protecting you from this infection?” Nope. The tonsils are learning centers that when your environment comes into your body, the function of the tonsils is to sample what just went down your throat. And that’s why tonsils have ducts, channels open to the throat. Meaning what? Well, if I wanted to wall off the damn thing, why would I open a channel to let it back in? And the answer is it’s sampling. Think about it this way. Infants stick everything in their world into their mouth. Anything you put in that crib is going to ultimately go into that mouth. That’s a reflex. That’s a learning response. What’s it doing? Sampling the environment. So why is it relevant? That is nature’s natural vaccination

mechanism. That’s how we teach the immune system. What goes down the throat passes by the tonsils, which read what’s going down the throat, educate the immune system to what was there so that later these cells then can be protective.

So why is it relevant? If you stick a needle under the skin, just put it right there, there’s no sentry of the immune system. If you look at cells as miniature people and you’ve got 50 trillion of them and you’re hanging around in the arm, this is where I live over here as a cell, and then one day, all of a sudden, boom, all this toxic stuff came in there. Where did it come from? I don’t know. I didn’t see it. Why? Because the needle bypassed everything. It just got stuck in the middle. And all of a sudden, the cells are going, because they’re intelligent, “Where did that come from?” You fooled it. And that’s why these things bypass the intelligence that took a million years to make.

And the reality is this. I’m not against vaccines, but I’m only pro oral vaccine to use the intelligence of the existing system and not try to be smarter than the cells. Human hubris. “We’re the smartest things in the world.” I go, “Really?” Those cells made you. You’re made out of 50 trillion cells. They do functions that humans can’t even technologically develop yet. They do things that are beyond our capability. And then we talk about “Oh, they’re just so stupid cells.” I go, “Stupid? They created us. They’ve got this intelligence. And you think you’re smarter than that intelligence?” That’s where humans get in trouble, because when we think we’re the smartest, we’re going to say, “Oh, Mother Nature didn’t know how to take care of it. We’re going to make our own vaccine.” Wow. That hubris is going to kill us. It is killing us because we have no trust of this system which is more intelligent than we are.

Boy, did I get on that soapbox. Sorry, JJ. I got carried away with that because, to me, this is like, “Oh my god. People don’t even know. They think that tonsils are protection to prevent the germs going into your body.” No. Their job is to read what came in and understand it. Learning and memory is the function of that immune system, and the tonsils are learning centers. So, am I anti-vax? No, but I’m only oral vax. Because if you understand the system, then work with and don’t try to override its intelligence, which we’ve done at the cost of our health.

JJ: So I want to explain for those who are new to the term epigenetics. I’ve had Dawson Church on. I’ve talked about epigenetics before. But I believe you’re kind of the founder. Am I correct in this that you’ve kind of uncovered epigenetics?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: I’m not a founder. I would say pioneer. It was only 50 years ago that I was working with a system that just a few years ago became understood. So I had about 30 years before conventional science of understanding something that is at the forefront of today’s science. So I had a lot of history with it. As a matter of fact, I taught Dawson Church what he knows.

JJ: I’m glad to know that. Uh-oh. We won’t tell him that you said that. Can you explain, on very simplistic terms to people who are listening who don’t understand, what epigenetics is?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Yes. Conventional story, which almost everybody has been programmed, is genes control the character of your life. Not just your physical, but your behavioral, your emotional character. So there’s a gene for this and a gene for that, with the belief that genes are programs that turn themselves on and off. And I go, “What’s wrong with it?” They turn themselves on and off. And I say, “Why is that important?” Well, if they’re controlling your biology and they’re turning themselves on and off, you have no control. You become a victim of your heredity. “Oh my god. There’s a cancer gene running in my family. I’m going to get cancer.” A little sidebar. There is no gene that causes cancer. Not one gene causes cancer. Cancer is a result of many genes working together. It takes anywhere from over 10, usually 15 or more genes simultaneously, in harmony, working together to manifest a cancer. What does that mean? A single gene doesn’t control anything.

Genes are not what we refer to as self-actualizing, which means that they make decisions. Genes are blueprints and have no more power and decision making than an architect’s blueprint on a desk. So why is it relevant? Well, the architect’s blueprint is on a desk, but who reads the blueprint? “Ah. Somebody is reading the blueprint.” I go, “It’s not the blueprint. It’s the individual that is assessing those blueprints that determines what they’re going to do with them.” So the old story is called genetics, and we talk about “This character is under genetic control.” Genetic control translates as control by genes. All these characters are under the control of genes. That’s the belief story. But the new science is totally different. What does it mean? It’s called epigenetics. “So this character is under epigenetic control. Sounds the same.” I go, “Revolution.” Why? Epi means above.

As a matter of fact, what do they call skin? Epidermis. What does it mean? Epi means above. Then epidermis means above the dermis. Yes. Underneath the skin is a layer called dermis. The one above the dermis is epidermis. And what is epigenetic control? Control above the genes. “Control above the genes?” Yeah, consciousness and life experiences, environment. And these are the characters that control the genes. So why is it relevant? You control your environment. You control your consciousness. And therefore, you control your genes. “Well, what am I going to do with that control?” What do you want from your life? You would make a vision, and then the function of the system is the brain takes that vision and translates it into complementary chemistry, so that if you have a negative vision, the brain releases the equivalent of negative chemistry. So that will affect your body so it matches your vision. If I have a fear of a disease, then my mind would generate the disease because the chemistry that will come from the picture will then generate because it’s complementary chemistry.

So all of a sudden, I say, “Oh my god. You are creating your life based on the picture you hold in your mind.” Because the job then of the brain is to translate it into chemistry, goes into the blood. The blood is the culture medium for 50 trillion cells under your skin. So we’re like skin-covered Petri dishes, and the culture medium, blood, the chemistry of that is controlled by your belief system. You change your belief system, you change the chemistry. And this is why the chemistry of healing and placebo wasn’t related to the pill. Who cares about the pill? It was a sugar pill. It was the belief system that translated the idea of health into health. But it works just the same in the opposite direction. I have a fear of COVID, cancer, whatever. Then the function of the brain is to translate that picture into complementary chemistry, which then sends it to the body to make the body a complement to the picture. Are you thinking healthygood thoughts or are you afraid? Why? If you’re thinking healthy good thoughts, then your body is like, “Okay, let’s go to life here.” If you’re afraid, guess what. You close down.

So here’s the point. If fear overrides the system, it shuts down the growth and maintenance of the body and stresses the system. And I’m old enough to remember bomb shelters. What the hell is a bomb shelter? “We’re so afraid the Russians are going to bomb us. We built underground places. We put food and stuff in there because we’re waiting for that big air raid siren to go off and we’re going to run in that basement, and we’re going to hide there until the alert is over.” Okay, so let’s go back to that day. A town is working. It’s in growth. Everybody, the school is going. The business is going. Everything is in growth. A siren goes off. Everybody leaves the job. Where do they go? They go into the bomb shelter. What are they doing? Protecting themselves. I go, “Good. If there’s a threat, that’s not a bad problem.” But what if there’s no threat and you’re still down there? Well, what’s the relevance? Your biology, whether the threat is real or not, is responding to a threat. What is it going to do? It’s going to close itself down. It’s going to shut down the immune system. It’s going to shut down the maintenance of the body as I’m hiding in that bomb shelter.

Now, here’s where the problem comes from. Conventional days back then, air raid siren went off. Air raid drill. Go into the bomb shelter. Everybody waits. Five to ten minutes later, all clear. Everybody comes out of the bomb shelter. Growth goes back in again. But what happens if you go into the bomb shelter and there’s no all clear? Well, there’s a point, “Well, I can maintain myself in here for a while. But guess what. I only have so much food and water.” What’s the relevance? “If I have to stay in there longer than I have supplies for, I’m going to die in the bomb shelter in fear.” What’s the issue about it? And the idea was evolutionarily the system was designed to run away from a saber-toothed tiger. So what’s relevant? If you escape that tiger, let’s say you had to run 10 minutes, but if you escape the tiger, then all of a sudden, the fear is gone and you’re back to life again. The point was fear was only used for short intermittent bursts of energy to escape.

What about chronic fear? Well, now you got a problem because chronic fear is being in the bomb shelter with no all clear. Chronic fear keeps you in that stress mode 24/7, 365, today’s world. We were never designed to be in protection for prolonged periods, and yet we are programming people to be scared to death. And look at this. Hey, COVID. Go home. Lock yourself in a room. Don’t see anybody. “Oh, I’m sorry. You don’t have any money? Lock yourself in the room anyway.” And all of a sudden, you start to realize, oh my god, you’re going to die. From what? Fear. Why? Because you’ve shut yourself down and you’re waiting for that thing. And the idea is you could die waiting for it and never even got it.

JJ: Again, I appreciate everything that’s coming out of your mouth, unprompted by me. Everybody, unprompted by me. I’m only asking for validation in areas of science that I’ve been talking about because quantum physics, as we’re talking about, is literally law of attraction. It’s the science of what people think is a belief system or a spiritual belief when the physics related to that science is frequency. And frequency has to do with emotion, and we’re talking about perception. We’re talking about the difference between feeling good and not feeling good, stress and fear, love and health, right? And one of the things that I love that you talked about in “The Biology of Belief.” Well, many things. For instance, that all of us are infected. So if we just decide, it’s an easy fear to get over. And people are literally dying out of fear. I believe that they’re more susceptible to everything just because of their fear.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: I just want to add this because the numbers, “Look how many people are dying.” And I go, “Wait a minute. A large number of people would have died whether the virus was here or not.” They had cancer. They had cardiovascular disease. They were already compromised. And yet the government put out a directive that said, “If that patient had any connection to COVID and they die, then the primary cause of death is COVID.” I know they were riddled with cancer and they were going to die anyway, but they got a COVID at the last moment because the ambulance driver got the COVID and the patient was in the thing. And when they died, according to the death certificate, it said, “Died of COVID.” They were dying of cancer. They were dying of cardiovascular disease. Very interesting.

The jokey part is, wow, COVID got here and guess what. People aren’t dying from cancer and cardiovascular disease anymore. COVID is healing cancer. And I go, “No. It’s just being covered up and then placed as a statistic to emphasize that the COVID…” COVID did not kill them. Cancer killed them. Cardiovascular disease killed them. Fear killed them. COVID was ancillary. That’s why 9 out of 10 people apparently, and now that we’re doing the testing, have had the COVID but the symptoms weren’t great enough to cause concern where they would have to go seek help. So what’s the relevance? COVID is not so different than the annual flu. What’s so different is the fear of COVID that is broadcast day after day, make you go hide in your bomb shelter. And I go, “Jesus. You hide in your bomb shelter, you’re already going toward death.”

What about those poor people that barely get by? Now they’re supposed to hide. They’ve got nothing in that bomb shelter. What’s that going to do? Exacerbate it. And that’s why, when we look at it, there’s a racial tendency associated with this. And I go, “Is it racial?” No. It’s poverty that’s associated with that. It’s a lower quality of life that affects these people. That’s why they’re more susceptible than the richer people which have a comfort. “Okay, I’ll lock myself. Oh, look, I’ve got some beautiful videos. I’ve got a lot of food.” What about the poor people? They’ve got nothing in their refrigerator and they’re locking themselves in the room.

JJ: Yeah. I’ve wanted to empower people throughout this as best as possible. You can’t really change mass consciousness.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: You can, but we’d have to do what we’re doing right now. What we have to do is knowledge is power. That’s a fact. Now, get ready for this one. Equal statement. A lack of knowledge is a lack of power. And if people don’t have knowledge of what’s going on and I give them false knowledge, then that’s like no knowledge at all. And so, therefore, we are being disempowered by not getting the true knowledge, but getting some conventional “This is our story.” That story is BS, which means belief system. And the relevance about that is very simply this. It is not as lethal as they have been programming people. The big milestone, 500,000 people around the world died from the COVID. In a conventional flu, one of the previous years, 650,000 people died and it was called normal. Five hundred thousand and it’s like the end of the world. “What are you talking about here?” You’re selling. And I’m very upset by it because I’m supposed to be one of the most susceptible people because I’m so old. And it’s like, “I’m not going to buy into that crap.” I never buy into the crap every year when flu season comes anyway. I never got those stupid shots. Why? I trust the intelligence of my immune system and I trust that I’m supporting it. With what? Good food, supplements, exercise, and good thinking.

JJ: This is a funny story. One of the reasons that I bought Biology of Belief years ago, there was a knowing. I don’t need to understand how gravity works to believe in gravity. I don’t need to know how the earth spins on its axis in the sky somewhere in the universe to know that it exists. When I heard the title of your book, “Biology of Belief,” I didn’t need to read it. Not because I could explain it. No disrespect. I don’t mean that from an arrogance ego perspective. I just said, “The Biology of Belief. Yes, I believe whatever you’re saying is absolutely correct. It resonates on every level. Thank you.” So I would refer to your book all the time, and I hadn’t read it, because I’m like, “Yeah, Biology of Belief,” because I thought that’s all you need to know: that our beliefs create our biology. End of story. I don’t need to know the science to know that that’s true. It feels absolutely correct.

So I have a friend who is very scientific and he’s not very spiritual, although he really is. He just doesn’t know it. And at some point, we got into some kind of argument because he’s a math guy and it’s all numbers. And again, perception wasn’t part of that conversation. So I thought, “You know what? I’m going to read Biology of Belief so I can prove to you that this is true. And then of course, not good intention there. I’m like, “No, this is about a fight. This is not good.” I didn’t do it. He’s not asking. This is about me trying to prove something that exists that he’s not asking for. So the book sat on the shelf forever, even though I still wanted to have this conversation with you and I was reaching out and saying, “When can you come?” Always booked. “When can you come?” Always booked. COVID hits. “Hey, is he free yet?” “Hey, he has an opening. You can take it.” I was like, “Okay. I just manifested this. Time to read the book.”

So for those of you that also feel like me, you get it. And a lot of my listeners do. They intuitively have a feeling that they know that this is true. They don’t need to be proven that it’s true. But here’s what I’m going to tell everybody. I listened to the audiobook and I love all the things that I learned. Did I understand the principle of it? Yes. Did you convince me of anything new? No. But what it strengthened are things that I can help other people understand, starting with all of us are infected. So if we just start out thinking that we’re all infected with something and how you choose to perceive life and your circumstances and the emotional energies that you focus on and the ones that you continue to talk about, you literally control that expression. That’s what epigenetics is, right? The expression of genes or expression of an environment based on your perception and, therefore, your emotions that change your biology, that change your chemistry. Yes? 

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Right. Absolutely. As I said before, genes are blueprints to make proteins, and the proteins are the building blocks. Something new that’s so important about it is epigenetics not just reads the blueprints, but, like an architect, can edit the expression of those blueprints. So it’s not just a straight readout of my genes. It’s my interpretation and my experience and my perceptions that are going to determine what kind of product will come from that gene. So it’s a blueprint. It makes the protein. Now, guess what. Based on epigenetics, one blueprint, just one gene, I can make over 3000 different versions of proteins from the same blueprint. Why is it relevant? Because some of those versions might be healthy versions and some of them might be toxic versions. So what? The idea is “I got cancer because I had cancer genes.” No. There are no cancer genes. You’re living in an environment or you’re not in harmony, and that’s the expression. 90% of cancer doesn’t even have any genetic linkage. There’s no family history. It just showed up. What do you mean “just show up”? You got a cancer gene? No. You have a regular gene, but through epigenetic reorganizing, one of the 3000 different versions of that gene could be a detrimental version and then you end up getting cancer. From what? No cancer gene, normal gene [49:20].

It works the other way too. You can have a disease or you can come with a defective gene. And the relevance about this is that with epigenetics, you can make a version of a defective gene that’s actually normal. So in other words, I’m not controlled by the gene. I’m controlled by my manifestation of the gene, how I make it work. So I can make it work in a positive way and be very healthy, and I can also come with a negative view and take the same healthy gene and turn it into a cancer gene. It’s not a cancer gene, but I can turn it into cancer by my perception. And this is really critical for people, especially cancer because it’s so damn rampant in our world. Why is it relevant? Here’s where the problem comes from. And this is it. People say it’s a cancer gene. Angelina Jolie, her mother died from breast cancer. Grandmother died from breast cancer. I think her father was a medical doctor too.

JJ: He was an actor.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: An actor?

JJ: Yeah.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Somebody in the family. And so they bought the medical story. She’s a young, vibrant woman, and she’s going to have a double mastectomy because, she says, “If I remove these breasts, then I won’t suffer the consequences of my family’s history.” And so this young, healthy woman has mastectomy. I’m going to use this word because some people don’t want to hear it. You ready? It’s a mutilation of your body. Okay, I just said that. But let’s go on now. So why is it relevant? The idea was “Well, if I remove the cancer gene, I’ve removed the cancer” because she had the BRCA1 gene. Guess what. 50% of the women that carry the BRCA1 gene never get cancer. What’s the relevance? Fact: Possession of that so-called BRCA1 gene is not the cause of cancer because you can have it and never have cancer. It’s a supportive mechanism. It’s correlated with the cancer, but it doesn’t cause cancer. So why is it relevant? Because if a person gets cancer and they’re locked into the belief system that the genes caused this and they had nothing to do with it, “I’m a victim. I’m a victim of my heredity. That damn gene was carried down. I got it. Oh my god. I’m going to get breast cancer.” That’s a victim mentality with what? A picture of what? What’s the picture?

JJ: Cancer.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Cancer. So two people got the exact same diagnosis, terminal cancer. Both of them got the same diagnosis. “You’ve got 90 days, and that’s about what you got. So go home and take care of your life.” One of them buys into the belief. “Yeah, I’ve got cancer. In 90 days, I’m going to die.” So they go home and they follow all the rules and they die in 90 days. What about the other one? The other gets the diagnosis and goes, “Oh, crap. My life is out of harmony. I’m not happy. I’m not peaceful. There’s so much anger.” And they get the diagnosis and they realize, “Screw it. I’m going to let go. I don’t care about all that anymore. I’m going to leave the job. I’m going on vacation. I only got 90 days. What the hell. I’m going to enjoy myself.” Well, that person goes out, and 90 days later, guess what. They’re still enjoying themselves. A year later, they’re still enjoying themselves. Two years later.

What was the point? The first one claimed victim, which meant powerless. “The vision overrides me, and therefore, my death is certain.” The other one says, “Get rid of the stress,” not knowing that getting rid of the stress is what healed them. Because when they got rid of the stress, they started living a different way of life and the cancer disappeared. So here’s the conclusion. Cancer is a symptom, not the problem. Why? Well, if you treat it as a problem and you say, “I removed the cancer cell, so now you’re free,” the cancer cells didn’t cause the problem. They were the consequence of a problem. And all of a sudden, well, just because you remove the so-called cause, which wasn’t, you think you’re free. And I go, “The cancer didn’t come from the genes. It came from not being in harmony with your life.”

And so the idea about this, we have to transcend the old story of genetic control because it’s mind control. It’s environment control. And those are the two things as humans that we can change. We can change our thoughts. You can change your environment. Therefore, you’re not a victim. You become the master. And that’s the difference between genetics, which says you’re a victim, and epigenetics, which says, “No, you’re a master.” And if we understood epigenetics, then we’d have to say, “Well, if my thinking is causing these problems, I don’t have to fix the problem down here. I have to fix the problem up here.” So all those drugs and radiation and chemotherapy and all that kind of stuff like that might be working at affecting the cancer cells. You can kill all the damn cancer cells, but if you didn’t change what’s up here, another cell would be modified by epigenetics to also create cancer. So you never resolved it because you kept thinking you’re a victim when epigenetics says, “No, your consciousness is controlling every aspect.”

And people know that, but it’s hard against the system because, simple point, if you’re a victim, by definition, you mean you’re powerless. “I’m a victim. I am powerless to control.” And what would be the consequence of expressing powerless? I have to seek power. From where? Somebody else because it’s not going to come from here. “Ooh, the pharmaceutical company is going to give me power. I’m going to buy their drugs and they’ll give me power.” You already had the power, except your belief system said no, and therefore, the end of the game. And this is the issue which I always enjoy because skeptics about all this come up and say, “Look, I tried that experiment and it didn’t work.” I go, “It’s biology of belief, friend. If you believe it works, it works. And if you believe it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work.” Fine. You just supported everything I just said. And the reality is, Henry Ford said, “Whether you believe you can or you can’t, you’re right.” And that’s the point that’s so critical. Let’s stop being sheep and start recognizing that we are masters of our biology.

JJ: Thank you for saying that. If I said that, they’d get so mad at me because I’m not a doctor. I can’t say that. But thank you, Dr. Bruce Lipton, for telling everyone, “Stop being sheep.” You’re not helping yourself and you don’t care about your health the way you think you do if you don’t recognize the power that you have to control it. And I’m really bummed that you have another appointment after me and that.

I have to let you go because I would keep you here all day because we’ve just skimmed the surface. But I want to make sure, if you haven’t read, if you’re like me and you have it but you haven’t read it, “Biology of Belief.” And I would recommend it on audio because…

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Let me cancel “I recommend it on audio,” okay?

JJ: Why?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Audio is a brief overview of the book. It’s not the book.

JJ: You didn’t read it?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: You didn’t read it? You just heard the audio version, right?

JJ: But isn’t it the same? Didn’t you read from the book?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: No. The audio version was before the book was written. There’s a whole bigger story in the book.

JJ: Well, now I have to read the book.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: You really get to real science. It’s physically in that book. The pictures, the references, the meaning of it. The audiobook was cool because a lot of people don’t have time. They just stick it in the car, drive someplace, and hear the book. I’m not saying it’s bad, for sure. But I’m saying you really want to get the fullest story. It’s in the text because the book came after the audio version.

JJ: I didn’t know that. I sit corrected. Everybody, do both.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Yes.

JJ: Get the audio for your car. Get the book to read it. And actually, I’m going to say that after you hear it, it’s going to make reading it easier, especially for those who are right brainers who, when they get into all that science, it’s overwhelming and their brains can’t handle that technical stuff.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Well, my book was made for the lay audience. Actually, when I wrote the book, the first version of it, I used my scientific science vocabulary. Science is like the church. We put things in Latin. Nobody knows what the hell we’re talking about. So my first version had the science churchy language in it. I gave it to a couple of friends. I said, “Would you review this for me?” I never saw them again. I had to go find them. I said, “What happened?” And they embarrassedly said to me, “Bruce, I didn’t understand a damn word what the hell you said.” I had to go back and take another year and say, “Look, it has to be understood by people who don’t have a science background.” So the writing of the book is really pretty much available to most people, but it tells a much bigger story than I could put in a short audio situation. So yeah, the audiobook is good. That will get you started. But if you really want to know it, it’s in the written version.

JJ: And I know you have two other books, and I’d love to talk about those too. What is at brucelipton.com? What can we come and get? Can we buy the book there? Is there anything free we can do there?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Yeah, that’s for sure. You can get all free downloadable information: written stuff, interviews like this one, videos from other sources. It’s a resource, and most of it is free. And you can buy the book. I’m not saying you have to at all.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: You can say that, but I can’t say that.

JJ: I understand.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: I just want people to understand that this science is a revolution. It’s not your parents’ biology.

JJ: Yep.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: It’s a new empowering biology. And this is what the evolution that we’re facing on this planet right now, why everything is falling apart, is because we lost who we really are. And according to quantum physics and spirituality, they’re both saying the exact same thing, because quantum physics talks about the invisible energy fields that shape the physical world. You could call those energy fields, or definition, you could call it spirit. Why? They both have the same definition: invisible forces that are shaping our physical expression. And this is the beautiful part about quantum physics is that it brings ancient understanding of spirituality into the context of modern science and says modern science and spirituality say exactly the same thing. And so the spiritual people didn’t have to know the details about the molecules in their DNA. They just understood the nature of spirituality. If you just understand the nature of quantum physics, you don’t have to go into the equations and do all that stuff because it’s a simple understanding. Consciousness is creating your life experiences.

JJ: Can you come back? Can you come back at some point?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: I would love to.

JJ: Good, because this isn’t enough for me. I’m sorry. It’s not enough. One hour is not enough. Dr. Bruce Lipton, thank you so much. You’re a delight. I love you. Thank you for the work that you’re doing. Thank you for helping people who were skeptical because of the science background understand that this spiritual stuff is actually real and makes a difference and empowers your life. Everyone, go to brucelipton.com. Buy the book if you don’t have it. Get the audio if you don’t have that. Do both. At least start with “The Biology of Belief.” I know you have two other books I’d love to discuss with you. Thank you so much. It was such an honor to have you today.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Listen, JJ. I would love to come back. And I also really want to thank our audience. And the reason why I want to thank them is these are seekers who are looking for answers that are not in the box. And the significance is the answers in the box are causing all the problems. If you want to get the answers in life, you can’t follow the conventional story. That’s what’s causing the precipitous evolutionary wall that we are hitting right now. We’ve undermined our own reality because our beliefs are not in harmony with life. So I want to thank everybody out there because every one of you is a participant in a co-creation of a new world. And those that transcend the old beliefs become empowered, because the old beliefs, by definition, are disempowering beliefs that say you’re a victim: a victim of this, a victim of that. And of course, there’s a good reason. Because if you buy you’re a victim, you will also buy a healer. You will buy whatever they say. “Oh my god. I’m going to get sick and die.” “No. Here’s the pill.” And all of a sudden, game over because you have now put everything into that pill when the fact was it all started up here, and if I change up here, I don’t need the damn pill. And that’s what the whole idea is about.

JJ: I know, and I love it. And thank you for helping to spread that word. I appreciate you, and I love you. 

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Thank you, JJ. You’re so beautiful, and I’m so happy to be next to you. And I think most people will probably say, “Well, what should we do about this video?” and I go, “Shut off, please, and just look at JJ.”

JJ: Well, everyone, if you’re on the podcast, come on over and see how much fun we’re having here on the video. I appreciate you so much. Thank you, and I can’t wait to talk to you again.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Thank you, and we will.